AtD translation: a field of bells emerged into flower

[David Morris]

If you naturalists think "P is saying, across the city of Venice there's a
field of bellflowers coming into bloom at noontide?" then how does that
work with these other words?

"as the boys came swooping in over Murano, above wide-topped red clay
chimneys the size of smokestacks, known as fumaioli, according to the local
pilot, Zanni."

David Morris

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:57 AM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Do you really mean – "with the naturalists here" – that P is saying, across
> the city of Venice there's a field of bellflowers coming into bloom at
> noontide?
>
> Am Mo., 18. Feb. 2019 um 17:26 Uhr schrieb Mark Kohut <
> mark.kohut at gmail.com
> >:
>
> > The previous post was the address of Murano, then and now part of
> > Venice....for what that's worth...
> > one of the 8 Venetian lagoon islands. and .9 miles from the city center,
> > so to speak.
> >
> > I'm with the naturalists here, ......another reason is
> > that Pynchon usually signals such metaphors differently, I say in purely
> > impressionistic memory.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:34 AM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Mike, Mike, Mark and whoever cares,
> >>
> >> Pynchon begins his sentence, his paragraph, his chapter with "Across the
> >> city" – the city obviously being Venice, not Murano, where the boys
> happen
> >> to come swooping in over. There's no need for a glance at Google maps,
> no
> >> more than for reading what is written there, anyway.
> >>
> >> Don't think I'm riffing, btw.
> >>
> >> Am Mo., 18. Feb. 2019 um 15:04 Uhr schrieb Mike Weaver <
> >> mike.weaver at zen.co.uk>:
> >>
> >> > A quick glance at Google Maps reveals the whole of the north of the
> >> > island is green space and there are other patches to the south of
> that.
> >> > And we are talking about  100 years ago and more when those spaces
> might
> >> > well have been fields rather than parks. And there are probably
> several
> >> > campanulas native or endemic to Italy. The only one it is unlikely to
> be
> >> > is Italian Bellflower which is native to the mountains.
> >> > It is always enjoyable reading the riffing that many of you enjoy as a
> >> > response to P's writing, but sometimes that is what they are - riffs,
> >> > and the original is at base a poetic description.
> >> >
> >> > cheers
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 18/02/2019 07:43, Jochen Stremmel wrote:
> >> > > Right, Mike, there surely is no field of bellflowers in Venice,
> >> > especially
> >> > > not one that emerges at noontide into flower and could be seen from
> a
> >> > > balloon.
> >> > >
> >> > > Am Mo., 18. Feb. 2019 um 06:42 Uhr schrieb Mike Jing <
> >> > > gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>:
> >> > >
> >> > >> This sound/image did cross my mind, but I wasn't sure. Is there
> place
> >> > for
> >> > >> a field of bellflowers in Murano/Venice? That's noticeable from a
> >> > balloon?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 4:07 AM Jochen Stremmel <
> jstremmel at gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> What about the bells of Venice, the city, ringing at noontide with
> >> all
> >> > >>> their might, and the flower being a metaphor for just this?
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> J
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Am Sa., 16. Feb. 2019 um 04:46 Uhr schrieb David Morris <
> >> > >>> fqmorris at gmail.com
> >> > >>>> :
> >> > >>>> My take:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Island Murano's fame is its glass monopoly.  The objects,
> chimneys,
> >> > that
> >> > >>>> rise, "emerge," above the red clay roofs, are from glass
> furnaces.
> >> > Maybe
> >> > >>>> the flower imagery is from smoke plumes, but that's pretty weak.
> >> But
> >> > >>> might
> >> > >>>> that smoke be blue, like the bell flower?
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> David Morris
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 8:22 PM Mike Weaver <
> mike.weaver at zen.co.uk
> >> >
> >> > >>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>> campanula's are known as bell flowers as here
> >> > >>>>> <
> >> > https://www.123rf.com/photo_55855915_field-with-wild-bellflower.html
> >> > >>>>> On 16/02/2019 00:49, Mike Jing wrote:
> >> > >>>>>> P243.1-6   Across the city noontide a field of bells emerged
> into
> >> > >>>> flower,
> >> > >>>>>> as the boys came swooping in over Murano, above wide-topped
> >> red-clay
> >> > >>>>>> chimneys the size of smokestacks, known as fumaioli, according
> to
> >> > >>> the
> >> > >>>>> local
> >> > >>>>>> pilot, Zanni. “Very dangerous, the sparks, they could blow up
> the
> >> > >>>>> balloon,
> >> > >>>>>> certo,” drops of perspiration flying off his face at all
> angles,
> >> as
> >> > >>> if
> >> > >>>>>> self-propelled.
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> What does "a field of bells emerged into flower" mean here?
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