Re: Zoyd’s progress

[Mark Thibodeau]

To be perfectly honest with you guys, I have never been able to figure out
just exactly how these group read thingies are supposed to work...
particularly the part where individuals are deputized to steer the
discussion among the other participants for a set, designated amount of
time. Every time I have tried to take part, it has always felt to me as if
everything goes off the rails as soon as it gets to my turn, and I can't
help but think it's got something to do with me, that I am missing some key
elements of what the task at hand entails.

Now, having said that, I will be happy to follow along and chime in, if a
new VL group read were to take place. I would also happily read along if a
Bleeding Edge group read were to be attempted. I just don't want to be
responsible for any sections, because I have a history of obviously sucking
at the job.

Yours sincerely;
Yer old pal Jerky

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:33 AM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Golly, Mark, et al., even I suddenly have time on my hands, though I
> continue working, as my occupation puts me among the "essentials". I'd have
> less time than some, but more than I've had in a number of years.
>
> Count that as an "aye" vote.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:49 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I mean, WHAT ELSE ARE WE DOING INSIDE? Where our house
> > is bigger inside than from the outside.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:40 AM John Fulford <johnfulford at btinternet.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yessiram to VL Group Read!
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On 11 Apr 2020, at 14:35, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys, all and Jerky too,
> > > >
> > > > Dare this Quixote ask for the Love, love is strange, of a new Group
> > Read
> > > of
> > > > Vineland?
> > > >
> > > > Vineland. America then...and how now?
> > > >
> > > > America.
> > > >
> > > >> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:27 AM Ian Livingston <
> > igrlivingston at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Well-thought writing, Raphael. Thank you.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:51 AM Raphael Saltwood <
> > > >> PlainMrBotanyB at outlook.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 9:31 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com<
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://webmaila.juno.com/webmail/mobile/8?folder=Inbox&msgNum=0000LTW0:001UZnwn000034qb&block=1&msgNature=all&msgStatus=all&count=1586583144#
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> This attachment to innocence and youth, is ubiquitous in american
> > > art,
> > > >>>> and with few exceptions (Henry James comes to mind) is at the
> heart
> > of
> > > >>>> American prose fiction, in the so-called novel, and is not
> something
> > > >>>> america can grow up and out of  on this side of paradise. Zoyd, of
> > > >>>> course, is Slothroplike, childish and innocent,  but is, because
> > it's
> > > >>>> 1984, though no Big Brother totalitarianism but rather Neoliberal
> > > >>>> torments him, a working class male trying to raise a daughter in
> his
> > > >>>> hippie hair and dress. Like Jim and Huck, naked on the raft, he
> > floats
> > > >>>> past the flotsam of what is left in Gatsby's wake, avoiding the
> > shore
> > > >>>> as the trees cleared for Gatsby's mansion are clear cut on the
> other
> > > >>>> side of Vinland the Good, Zoyd, a member of the Multitude
> > (Spinozian),
> > > >>>> can only partake in the picnic of old lefties and young mutants.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> As one matures, if that actually happens,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> one still loves youth and innocence but gradually learns to love it
> > in
> > > >>> others, protect it, nurture it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If Benny Profane's tale was an anti-Bildungsroman, not learning a
> g-d
> > > >>> thing,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> and Slothrop's an anti-Odyssey, the wily voyager morphing beyond
> the
> > > >>> possibility of coming home,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Vineland for me has always been Pynchon's first novel with a net
> > > positive
> > > >>> developmental theme for the protagonist (I could argue for CoL49 -
> > the
> > > >> fact
> > > >>> that she goes to the auction means she’s beginning to cope...hmmm)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> (obviously there is much more to V and GR than the protagonist's
> > > outcome,
> > > >>> but still...)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> First action - Zoyd wakes up. Th
> > >
> > >
> > --
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> >
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